Hypocrisy – thy name is ‘SAVN’

It’s been a busy time here at the AVN so I haven’t been able to keep this blog as up-to-date as I would like, but the events of the last few days have been so ‘interesting’, I felt it would be a good time to share with you what has been going on.

As most of you would know, the organisation, Stop the AVN (SAVN) was set up specifically to force our group, which has been established since 1997, to close. Their tactics have included spurious complaints to government bodies and the media; the establishment of websites whose specific goal is to harass and denigrate anyone who believes that vaccination should be a matter of free and informed choice; death threats by phone, email and via Facebook; the sending of such vile pornography, it cannot be shared without blacking out most of the image (such as the letter below which was sent to my home address 3 times; trust me – you do NOT want to see the image that I’ve blacked out!); making threatening and abusive calls and sending abusive emails to our advertisers and professional members, trying to force them to withdraw their support of the AVN. There is more, but this is a good start in describing how these people operate and why, what they are doing now, is the height of hypocrisy!

One of the first things that SAVN did in their attempt to shut our organisation down was to establish several Facebook pages. They used our logo (and even called one of their pages Australian Vaccination Network which caused no end of confusion). Facebook made them remove our logo when I complained to them about this unauthorised use of our trademarked image, but they then took a ‘piece’ of our logo and used that until one of their own members who obviously has some experience with graphic design, made them a logo of their own based on the symbol in the movie, Ghostbusters.

From the beginning, SAVN made use of screen shots from our AVN Facebook page to attack not just myself, but others who posted there. It has become so scary for some of our members to share their knowledge and support on our Facebook page that they have either stopped posting altogether or signed up under assumed names so they will not be victimised in this way. Many people use their children’s photos as their Facebook profile picture and they started to be afraid that their children would be victimised as a result so they removed the images and put something more generic up as their profile picture. Others increased the security of their Facebook page, blocking access to anyone who was not already their friend on Facebook. All in all, it had reached a point where what we had established as a safe place to discuss research, experiences and news about vaccinations had become anything but.

AVN members began to complain to Facebook about these attacks and to ask that Facebook uphold their terms of service in regards to SAVN. Facebook says that:

Note: groups that attack a specific person or group of people (e.g. racist, sexist, or other hate groups) will not be tolerated. Creating such a group will result in the immediate termination of your Facebook account.

Despite these appeals to Facebook to stand by their own terms, nothing was done about the SAVN pages and their vile, abusive and harassing posts about the AVN, myself and our members.

Facebook also claims the following:

3- Safety

We do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need your help to do that, which includes the following commitments:

  1. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user.
  2. You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.

Well, people from the SAVN page have done all of these things – many times – and in many places. For instance, several of our members were sent incredibly violent pornographic images directly via Facebook. One of the images was forwarded to me and it was a shocker! It depicted a sexual act with a corpse. It was too horrendous to even begin to describe.

We showed this image to a university professor who is familiar with this area and he said that just showing that image was an offence – let alone sending it to someone else.

Facebook was informed of this by the recipients and they did absolutely nothing. So much for their claims to want to “keep Facebook safe”! Oh, and by the way, apart from being a member of the SAVN page (to be fair, SAVN did kick this person off after they were alerted to his abusive messages), this person works for a vaccine manufacturer. The company was also informed about his violent pornographic posts and to the best of our knowledge, nothing was done.

It had reached a point where you could set a stop watch between the time when someone posted something on the AVN’s Facebook page and the time when SAVN would screenshot it and put it on their page to tear down the person who wrote it – generally 5 minutes was all it took. It became obvious that these people had no real argument to fall back on. Indeed, abuse and harassment is their stock in trade.

Look at this example of a screenshot of one of my posts to the AVN page. This post was discussing an article from another website showing that experts who had testified that parents had killed their babies were now being discredited and it appeared that something other than child abuse – in fact, vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs – may have been the real reason for these children’s deaths. SAVN took this screen shot and below is what they made of it:

Is this the way to carry on a debate about vaccination? And whilst some of our opponents act independently of SAVN and without their knowledge or endorsement, SAVN is the most visible and active group opposing freedom of vaccination choice and part of a wider campaign that has been trying for some time to shut up any debate on this issue.

Several days ago, after hearing from yet more of our members about how they were not comfortable posting on our page because they did not want to leave themselves open to abuse, I decided to go through the SAVN page and find out what they were up to. What I found appalled me! Let’s just say that anything and everything that was on the AVN page was considered fair game for their abusive handling and I know that my words, my images and my posts are my own and they have no right to use them for any purpose without my express permission.

In two hours, I filed approximately 50 copyright claims against various Facebook members for using screenshots of my posts without my permission. I also filed reports against people who had used vile language to attack me – there were many attacks against others, but it was not up to me to report those – I only stuck to the ones that attacked me personally.

The upshot was that Facebook took down all of the posts and from what I understand, suspended a couple of the accounts for being repeat offenders. Don’t worry though, those people just set up new accounts and came back on and the SAVN page is still live.

The funny part is, that SAVN is trying to say that what I did was wrong and amounts to censorship. They say that I am denying their freedom of speech and until they can work out how to get around these regulations, they have made their page private so that no nasty pro-health choice people can read what they are writing and nobody can join unless and until they find the secret handshake required to prove you are a true believer in ‘science’.

I’ll tell you why this is so funny – I think you will agree with me that the irony and the hypocrisy in this situation is painfully obvious!

First, in regards to the freedom of speech and censorship issues, Ken McLeod, one of the founding and most active members of SAVN and the original complainant to the HCCC 2 years ago, stated in his complaint (which you can read in full by clicking here) that:

E- The AVN is not protected by any right of free speech.

Well, if the AVN and its membership are not protected by that right, why should SAVN be? Of course, this is a spurious argument because everyone in Australia is entitled to the free and open expression of ideas and debate – they are simply not entitled to harass, threaten, use pornography and foul language or any of the other things that SAVN does on a regular basis. They are not entitled to slander and defame either.

The membership of SAVN seem to feel that freedom of speech is only available to those who agree with them, however. To illustrate this fact, just prior to making their page private, some members of SAVN had been gloating that their tactic of calling into question not only my own ability to comment on this issue, but the ability, intelligence and truthfulness of all members of the AVN was working. They felt that due to their efforts to call us into question, nobody in the media would be contacting the AVN for comments on this issue any longer and therefore, they would no longer have to worry about the ‘false balance’ of journalists who wanted to discuss both sides of the vaccination debate. So much for freedom of speech and open access to information!

Second, they claimed that the complaints to Facebook were illegal and an abuse of policy.

Hmmmm, I find that to be interesting.

About a year or so ago, several members of our Facebook page started their own site called, Stop the AVN Exposed. They did this without my knowledge or involvement though they did invite me to view the pages and I did join for that purpose.

On this site, they took screenshots of some of the SAVN members’ posts and criticised them in much the same way that SAVN was criticising the posts of the AVN. It didn’t take more than a week or two but Facebook actually took the Stop the AVN Exposed site down due to complaints from SAVN members that the site had only been set up to attack them. Incredible double-standard on both the part of Facebook and SAVN.

So now, when the shoe is on the other foot, SAVN is crying to mama that it isn’t fair!  The AVN has gone and spoiled all of their fun and they are not going to come out and play any more until Facebook says they are sorry and returns all of their vile posts to where they were previously.

Well, I applaud Facebook for finally, after so many months of inaction, doing something to protect the innocent parents who frequent the AVN Facebook page and who only want a safe place where they can discuss an issue that is vital to the health of their families. My biggest complaint is that they took so long to do it and that they still have not made SAVN abide by Facebook’s terms and conditions when it comes to their bullying, intimidation and harassment of another organisation via their page – all of which is in direct contravention to Facebook’s own rules.

Stop the AVN has used every dispicable means possible to silence and villify the AVN. For them to call foul now is the height of hypocrisy.

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11 Responses to Hypocrisy – thy name is ‘SAVN’

  1. Sian Morton says:

    I posted equally respectful comments on the AVN Facebook page but despite this I was blocked and my reasonable comments were deleted. Many of my comments received positive acknowledgment from AVN ‘fans’. I am willing to engage in a civilised discussion on issues associated with vaccination with members of the AVN but it is not possible since I cannot participate in your forum due to the sheltered and censored nature of your page.

  2. punter says:

    “Fortunately most people in our society have more sense and are able to discern credible sources of information,…”

    That’s true. It is not as if large numbers of people have ever been sucked into stupid ideas before is it?

    Don’t get me wrong, I think most people are intelligent in many ways. But they herd when there is uncertainty. For all I know there may be some people out there in the world who have, completely independently, come to the conclusion that vaccines are safe and effective but I am yet to see any evidence of them. All I ever see is arguments along the lines of:

    The experts say it is true therefore it is.

    What you don’t believe the experts are always right? Well then you must be a conspiracy theorist!

  3. Sian Morton says:

    I think to send vile, pornographic, abusive and threatening communications is unacceptable and inexcusable. The people who do these sorts of things are scum of the lowest form. I think Dana McCaffery’s family have experienced a taste of this sort of thing so it is clear that there are foul people on both sides of the vaccination debate. That said, many of the comments I read on the AVN page make me despair at the level of ignorance in AVN circles about immunisation and health, and the multitude of misinformation shared between equally ill-informed people. Fortunately most people in our society have more sense and are able to discern credible sources of information, but I think you and your organisation do an incredible diservice to the community. While I have no doubt you are sincere, I strongly believe you are grossly misguided.

    • shotinfo says:

      You are entitled to your opinion Sian and I thank you for expressing it in such a respectful manner. If you feel that something that has been said here is wrong, please do share specific instances so we can discuss it further.

  4. Trevor wa says:

    the best defence is offence.

  5. AOD says:

    The people who oppose the AVN oppose free speech and should not be trusted in any way shape or form – consequently nothing they say has any validity and everyone knows that…..

  6. Reeces says:

    Such a long time a’comin Ms. Dorey. We continue to stand with you and the many dead and injured babies, children and adults that the real AVN represents. Keep up the necessary work. Hopefully one day, there will no longer be a need for sites like ours to exist. Truth will eventually prevail!

  7. CB says:

    Meryl,
    You are dealing with a billion dollar business (Vaccines) and to get this big, they’ve had to colour certain details, modify certain facts and blatantly lie about the health risks.
    For them to attack you in this disgusting fashion just means that the work you’ve been doing has made a dynamic impact. May you continue to do what you do.
    We are not in a fascist country and these intimidation tactics will not work here.

    Great work, keep it up. Stay strong.

    • shotinfo says:

      Thank you CB – with the help of all AVN members, we will keep this organisation strong and be there for those who need us. Much appreciated!

  8. Laurel says:

    Facebook is a daft idea and the morals and ethics of the owner leave much to be desired.
    I refuse to have anything to do with it, maybe you also should drop it as a dud idea.
    for those of us who DO want the freedom to share info , and make our own decisions a blog page is enough, and there you CAN screen mails and comments, ie wordpress.
    check out
    http://www.recombinomics.com
    latest reports on usa sth american flu. seems the us military that copped tha jabs are getting a new and mutated strain..and the WHO are going to yell pandemic over 50 or so deaths.
    while the current vax is near useless for whats going round anyway.
    idiots.

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